The Future of Food, Freedom, and Human Resilience with Jim Gale

What would you do if you sold your company and had a chance to sail off into the sunset?

Most people would take the easy road, but Jim Gale isn't most people.

Instead of retiring, he built a fully self sustaining farm and dedicated his life to a mission far bigger than himself.

His drive, his vision and his relentless commitment make today's conversation one you won't want to miss.

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Welcome to the Business Development Podcast.

And now your expert host, Kelly Kennedy.

Hello.

Welcome to episode 290 of the Business Development Podcast.

And today it is my absolute pleasure to welcome back Jim Gale.

Many of you will remember Jim from episode 42 where he shared his incredible journey from founding a billion dollar mortgage company to becoming a global advocate for sustainability and permaculture.

As the founder and CEO of Food Forest Abundance, Jim is on a mission to empower individuals and communities to create their own self sustaining ecosystems.

His passion for turning backyards into edible landscapes is not just an idea, it's a movement poised to reshape the way that we think about food, health and freedom.

Since his last visit, Jim has continued to push the boundaries of what's possible.

From launching groundbreaking initiatives to expanding his mission to over 54 countries, Jim's vision of creating a world of abundance is more alive than ever.

Today we're diving into the next chapter of Jim's incredible journey.

His plans to scale Food Forest abundance to new heights and the revolutionary steps he's taking to solve some of the world's biggest challenges.

If you're ready to be inspired and motivated, stay tuned.

Jim Gale is here to remind us all that bold action and a clear vision can truly change the world.

Jim, it's an honor to have you back.

Oh, thank you so much, Kelly.

It's a pleasure to be here and to share with everybody listening the solution to all of it, to all of the world's biggest problems.

And I'm going to boil it down to such a simple thing.

In fact, it was 17 years ago when I was listening to Bill Mollison, and he said, though the problems of our world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain embarrassingly simple.

And I like to say joyfully simple.

So now, after about two and a half years, we've turned this sand lot, this was.

There was nothing here but sand.

And now it's a thriving food forest with about 260 different species of edible and medicinal plants all around me.

Wow.

Wow.

And, you know, I want to get into that, Jim.

I'm sure there's a lot of people here who are.

Who are tuning into this for the first time.

They're meeting Jim Gail for the first time.

Episode 42 was a little while ago.

Why don't you take us back, man?

Like, give us a reintroduction.

Who is Jim Gale?

How did you end up on this journey?

First and foremost, I'm a father and I have four amazing daughters.

And I ended up on this journey primarily because I became aware that the way we are using our resources is unsustainable, to say the least.

And I'm also aware that all unsustainable systems are fail.

And when we're talking about the healthcare system and the global governance system and the school system and the prison system and the money system, when we're talking about the pillars of our society being unsustainable and in process of failure, I became very worried 17 years ago.

And I spent two years.

I had sold the mortgage company, so I had time and I had money, and all I did all day long was research problems around the world.

And a lot of people listening are doing that right now.

They're going, what's going on?

This is just insane.

And that's when I woke up and decided, for the sake of my kids and future grandkids, that I'm going to do everything in my power to catalyze a shift in awareness that leads to mass adoption of using our resources wisely in a way where everybody wins.

Even the scumbags that are poisoning the earth and promoting war over peace, they don't know it, but even they will win.

So that's what I got focused on, is demonstrating the solution to all of it.

And it's living in the Garden of Eden.

It's living in paradise is literally the solution to all of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's.

It's very, very commendable.

Right.

Like, the more that I kind of go down this path and learn more about who is Jim Gale and.

And what are you aiming to do?

It's like it's so much more than a business.

I know When I initially kind of met you the first time, I'm thinking, okay, like, you know, he wants to promote, you know, people to grow gardens in their backyard.

And, and he wants to do this on a mass scale and he has a company that helps them do it.

But, like, there's no way to really achieve your vision on your own.

There's like no way that food forest abundance as a company could impact or make the impact that you want to if it was just you and your company.

You really need entire countries to get on board with this.

This isn't like, this isn't small.

This isn't like a town here and a city there.

It's like, we really need entire countries to get behind your vision.

Oh, I love how you think.

You know, I met with Bobby Kennedy 14 months ago, and when I met with him, I said, bobby, what I'm going to share with you now is not only will this campaign, I created a campaign strategy.

I was sitting in the food forest in meditation.

That's where most of my ideas come.

And this campaign strategy came to me.

And my mom grew up telling me about the Kennedys, and she was part of the conspiracy of the JFK and all these things.

So there was kind of this romantic idea of helping Bobby Kennedy be elected president.

Now, here's the thing.

I do not believe in government at all.

Government is the problem, historically speaking.

I'm also aware that the resources that the government has are in the trillions.

And I'm also aware that with a fraction of those resources in one year, we could create a foundation of peace and health and wealth and abundance all over the world.

So with that in mind, I created a campaign strategy.

And I said, bobby, the campaign strategy that I'm going to lay out for you now will not only win you the presidency, but your campaign, done this way, will change the world in the next year.

And he got big eyes and he looked at me and he goes, let's see it, right?

So I sat, we're sitting down on the couch, just him and I, and I laid out four documents.

And the first document was the claim.

And Bobby Kennedy was.

There was a picture of Bobby Kennedy on this document and he was at a school.

It was an AI generated picture.

And Bobby was surrounded by kids at a school.

And the claim was, we are going to take the poisons out of the school lunches and school school land and the children will heal.

And he, like, I love this.

He got so excited.

And then it, it described the truth of the matter.

The truth is that the Schools that are currently doing this, the children are healthier and happier by spending part of the day tending to crops and tending to the garden and stewardship of the land.

So that was the first campaign stop that I suggested.

I said, go to a school, surround yourself with kids.

Several months later, I see him with a shovel surrounded by kids at a school.

It was beautiful.

The second document, and I'm kind of giving you the high picture, the high pattern, and then we can boil down into the details, was a picture, because I had four different candidates on this slide deck.

The second picture was a picture of Donald Trump at the prisons.

And he picks up the picture, he goes, that's not me.

I said, well, it could be.

And he looked at me funny.

It was really great.

And it was Donald Trump saying, I am going to take the poisons out of the prisons and the prisoners will grow some of their own food.

And as a result of this, we will reduce crime by more than 50% in four years.

Now here's the facts of the matter.

This has been done the same as the schools.

When prisoners grow their own poison free food and learn how to be creative and productive, the recidivism falls off a cliff anyway.

And then I had two more slides.

One was the churches, inspiring and empowering the churches to demonstrate the Garden of Eden instead of grass the lawn, which is a tool of enslavement and of poverty.

And the third, the fourth one was the foreign army bases.

Turn all the foreign army bases into food forests and start helping those communities be self reliant and to create abundance.

Because abundance destroys scarcity and scarcity is the catalyst for.

For war.

Right?

Yeah.

So it was profound.

Six months later, the Maha movement was boring.

And here we are.

Wow.

Wow.

And while obviously, you know, you guys just had your presidential election, obviously it wasn't rfk, but it was Trump.

Although I believe RFK did get appointed to a pretty prestigious position, didn't he?

He sure did.

And everybody loves the Maha movement.

Now we just must follow Dr. Martin Luther King's advice.

He said, those who love peace must learn to organize as effectively as those who love war.

So sitting in meditation and contemplation, what does that mean?

That means when we integrate the schools and the churches and the prisons and the pillars of our society to take the poisons out and use our resources wisely, we solve mass extinction and deforestation and tyranny and cancer, all of it.

Jim, talk to me about the poisons.

You refer to the poisons a lot.

Can you maybe get deep as to what you're talking about.

I sure can.

So there's one that everybody's heard of, most everybody, anyway.

It's called Roundup glyphosate.

Right.

And, man, this stuff, these guys, Monsanto, and now purchased by Bear, they've already paid over $11 billion in criminal fines.

The product is illegal to spread on the land in Russia and most of Europe and most of the world.

And the lawyers in these class action lawsuits.

And by the way, there's another one going on right now for $17 billion.

And the lawyers will write the checks when they lose these big lawsuits with a stipulation, as long as they can keep their poisons on the shelves at Home Depot and Walmart and all of these stores that sell death instead of life.

So I'm talking about those poisons, by the way, there is a solution to those as well.

Okay.

Okay.

So, like, literally, the Roundup that we use to kill weeds on our front lawns in is what you're kind of discussing, correct?

It's definitely one of the main ones.

It's the most distributed one.

And while the price of many other fertilizers has gone up, doubled and tripled, the price of the ultimate poison that's killing a big part of our soil and our world is going down because it's subsidized by this evil system.

That's really interesting because, you know, I mean, I.

Whether I'm good or bad, whatever, I have killed my lawn with Roundup.

I don't know what side I fit on here.

Jim, we learn.

We learn.

But you're absolutely right.

I think the last time that I went to go and buy dirt, Dirt and like, fertilizer was actually quite expensive.

Mind you, the Canadian dollar has been getting hammered, so it's been expensive for a while.

But yeah, you're absolutely right.

Like, to get, like to get my weed killer, I don't think I paid much more than about 20 bucks.

You're absolutely correct.

Yep.

Yep.

Wow, it's.

It's amazing.

And it's so concentrated.

And, you know, most of the farmers around the United States and North America and around the world, they are.

This stuff is subsidized, and they have government programs to buy food and stuff.

Every time the government gets involved and starts subsidizing something, they create a glitch in the economy.

They take away the free market, and worse than that, even they're killing the very foundation of life, and that is our soil.

Yeah, yeah.

What happens to the soil when we're constantly using fertilizers?

They kill it.

That the micro, the soil.

A lot of people see soil as dirt.

They just see black stuff that they don't want.

You know, even the word dirt is a scam.

Right.

You go to the hospitals, there's no dirt, but yet it's one of the most dangerous places in the world, is inside a hospital.

Whereas rolling in dirt that doesn't have glyphosate is literally the answer to a lot of health risks.

Right.

People that take care of bees and people that dig their hands in healthy dirt, they're the healthiest people.

Right.

So we say dirt is bad.

Well, dirt is really one of the cleanest things around.

If you think of it from a.

Health perspective, that's really interesting.

You know, man, like even since the last time we talked, the cost of living in Canada, and you know, I mean, I can only speak to Canada, where I'm at, but the cost of living in Canada is just getting absolutely astronomical.

The pay for people isn't changing.

You know, I mean, you talk about the insustainability of a system and I would say like, we're definitely seeing the system running, hitting big cracks, right?

Big cracks here in Canada we're seeing that where like the cost of groceries, the cost of everything is going through the roof.

The pay for people isn't changing.

If not a lot of people are losing their jobs, not even their pay isn't going up, they're literally losing their jobs.

Yep.

And yeah, I definitely see where you're coming from and where like, you know, maybe an update to the system or, or more self sustainability starts to become important.

You know, talk to me about, about the food forest idea.

How did you, like, how did you come up with this?

Be the solution?

You're like, hey, if people just grew their own food, life would be great.

So I didn't come up with it.

Almost none of this stuff.

I didn't really come up with any of it.

I just sit and meditate and ask, how can we take what's already there and how can we bring this to the world?

What makes sense?

And so the permaculture science.

Permaculture means permanent agriculture or permanent culture.

And it's a sustainable agricultural design science that lays out the ethics, which are so simple.

The ethics are earth care, people care, and reinvesting our surplus to earth care and people care.

And the principles, the 12 principles can guide any family, any business.

They're just incredible.

So what I did is I studied people who were doing it and then I kept asking new questions.

How can I Do it better.

Which is how I got to be sitting here, in fact, to tell you about our commitment.

We are living in a community where we have 10 homes.

We are 100% off grid.

We produce all of the food, water, and energy needs on site.

And we did not ask for permission.

We did not ask the government for permits to build our houses.

And about 14 months ago, we were a year in, at this point, since we declared our freedom.

And 14 months ago, I got a call from my partner.

He said, jim, there's a government official here with a badge and a clipboard, and he's looking to see building permits for your house.

And I had a wave of adrenaline run through me, kind of like fear.

And I took a deep breath, and I walked over to the guy, and I turned on my phone, and I have been planning for this moment for a year by that point.

And I walked up to him, and I expected him to be a government kind of a bully, right?

So I walked up and I said, my name is Jim Gale, and I'm recording this conversation.

And I said.

I said, hi, because I'm a really friendly guy.

I said, hi, my name is Jim Gale.

And I said, what's your name?

He said, my name is Alexi.

I said, well, it's nice to meet you, Alexi, but how did you get permission to come on my land?

It's posted.

Implied consent is not granted.

It's both illegal and unlawful for you to be here without my permission.

And instead of being a jerk about it, he said, oh, I'm so sorry.

The gate was open, so I just thought I'd come in, but I will leave if you want me to.

And at that moment, it disarmed me, and I said, well, maybe that's a good idea, but before you leave, I would like to show you something.

So I walked with him to this area right over here, and we were standing in the food forest, and I shared with him.

It's my job.

It's my duty for our posterity, for our kids and grandkids, and for this world to be the caretaker and the protector and the steward of this land.

It's my duty to protect this land.

Because what your government, the agency that you represent, will allow me to do is kill everything.

You will even subsidize the use of poisons on this land.

And as a rep, as proof of that, you can look at every community, every HOA community that you've permitted up and down the road.

Here you go, walking through these communities.

There's no butterflies.

There's no birds.

There's no bees.

They are biological death zones.

I said so you have lost.

The government has lost its moral authority, and you can no longer tell me what to do.

Instead, I would like to invite you to do what we're doing.

We're here to serve our community, and if that means collaborating with you and showing you how to do better, that's what we're here to do.

And guess what, my friend, he got a tear in his eye and he said, I will never bother you again.

Wow.

Wow, what a story.

And has.

Has any.

Has anybody came to your property since that time?

14 months in, 500 podcasts later, not one person has come here with the threat of force and violence, because if they do, we will turn that into, well, you know, what do you do with shit?

It's manure, right?

You compost it.

So we will put a light of truth on it.

We will shine the light on it, which is the camera here, and we've got cameras up in case they just show up.

And we will tell the story, and we will invite them to tell their side of the story.

Well, guess what?

They know they'll get their asses kicked, so they're not bothering us.

Interesting.

Interesting.

Why do you think it's been so challenging to spread the food forest message?

I think many of us, me included, you know, I mean, I'm just as guilty for this as everyone else.

I don't have a garden in my backyard.

Although my fiance, she.

She loves gardening.

I'm sure we'll have one soon.

We just moved, so very likely.

Like I said, I'm just as guilty for this.

I've grown up in cities.

I.

You know, there you couldn't find a garden if you looked hard.

Yeah, like, it's just what it is.

Why do you think we've gone that path?

Why do you think we've stopped gardening?

Why don't we have food forests in our backyards?

And then the other side of it?

Why is it like pulling teeth to convince people to do so?

Kelly, it's the biggest fundamental deception of all time.

I believe.

And here's the thing, I might be wrong about this, but I kind of look at this life as a divine game in the mind of God.

Somehow and again, I could be wrong.

I'm not preaching.

I'm just saying that's how I view this life situation.

And I believe that back a long time ago, that there was a deception that somehow created a psychological operation where we forgot who we are.

Right?

We forgot that we are the stewards and the caretakers of this land.

We forgot that.

You hear about Tesla's free energy system, right?

I haven't.

A lot of people are talk.

Yeah.

Are talking about free energy nowadays.

I'm going to show you a free energy system that I've never had anybody deny.

Right.

So I'm standing here.

There's a cherry tree right here and a mulberry tree here.

What do humans run on?

We operate on calories, right?

Yes.

And what provides calories?

All wealth, all energy is derived from nature, Right?

So right here, this Mulberry might be 5 calories or whatever, 10 calories.

I don't know how many calories.

But that tree right there is literally a free energy device that will create exponential free energy for people, for the microbiome in the soil, and for birds.

And if we walked away from this free energy device right now and we didn't do anything else, this food forest around me would turn into a jungle of food over time, and it would literally spanned hundreds of miles.

And people say, how is that possible?

A bird is going to come in here and it's going to eat a mulberry.

It's going to fly on the other side of the lake over here, it's going to poop, and now there's going to be a new mulberry tree, and so on and so on.

So the amount of destruction, and I call it evil, for lack of a better word.

You know, there's live.

So one system is live, it creates more life, and then the other system is evil, it creates less life.

It's like the big story of good and evil and we've been conned.

It's really interesting, though, because I, like, I think about this and I think about what you're trying to do, and it's like, obviously, like, we would all do better if we had more.

More food in our backyard or more big trees or more fruit bushes, Right?

Like, yeah, to me, it seems so clear.

But I'll tell you what, Jim, before I met you, I never once even thought about it.

It never once even crossed my mind that might be a beneficial thing.

And you're absolutely right.

Like, maybe on a certain level, we have all just been, like, completely brainwashed.

But, like, is that.

Is that kind of what you're up against with regards to.

It's just not something we're even thinking about, buddy.

I have been on so many podcasts where, in some pretty big, big ones, where at the end, a week later, they said it was the most censored podcast that they've ever put out.

Wow.

I.

There have been, I've just probably five, six times in the last week people have sent me messages saying, jim, I tried to share your website.

And they deleted my comments saying it was against community guidelines.

Wow.

And so yes, there is a coordinated effort to suppress this because this is the idea.

So Victor Hugo was kind of an abolitionist a couple hundred years ago and he said there's one thing stronger than all of the armies of the world and that is an idea whose time has come.

Nature.

God's design.

Enlightenment.

That is the idea that is spreading exponentially around the world right now as we experience the great awakening.

Yeah, I, I definitely see a big shift happening.

Absolutely.

I think, I think you see it like especially here in Canada, definitely seeing a lot of shift here, a lot of shift in perception.

I don't.

Our current government is not exactly favored in any way, shape or form at the moment.

Their time is likely changing one way or another.

Your has done the same.

There's definitely shifts happening and I think there's a lot of fear too.

Right?

Like the world is a mess right now.

There's no question.

I know, like for me with my family, I think we're afraid of war.

We're afraid of a lot of things that could be coming down the down, you know, the pipe that we don't have any control over, unfortunately.

So I always try to advocate on this show, this is a very positive show.

We try to stay as positive as possible.

But you know, the reality is there's times, right, Especially times like right now where the world is a mess.

And I think we do have to start thinking about what would you do if you didn't have access to the grocery store?

What would you do if the power turned off for a week, a month, a year?

Heaven forbid.

But these are all things we don't really think about, but could literally happen at any time.

You're so right.

And this is exactly what we are preparing for.

But not out of fear, out of the joy of stewardship.

Right.

I am called here every day, multiple times a day.

Whenever I have a moment, I come walking out here and I just, I just walk around.

You know, there's butterflies and there's all this stuff.

It's a really, it's kind of a cloudy and cool day today, which we love here in Florida once in a while.

And it's the most energy giving system that you can imagine.

And by the way, we are, we like to talk about the big picture and how we organize the changing world, but we Also like to get into the fine details to show people that this is happening.

So right now we are creating a csa, which stands for Community Supported Agriculture.

It's like a community cooperative.

Right.

We're turning about 4 acres of land that's just to my north, along with this acre and a half of food forest, into a propagation system.

And we're inviting 40 families to be served by this food production system.

We have cows and chickens and ducks and turkeys and bees and seven species of fish along with 260 species of this food product for us.

And so we have a lot of diversity.

And here's where this gets incredibly exciting.

We created a business model which by the way, everything we do is open source.

So if anybody out there wants to copy this model, you can do it on your own or we would love to help you.

So it's an invitation for assistance, but you can also just take it and run with it.

So here's the model.

40 families paying $350 per month each.

And as a return on that 350 investment, we are going to do four classes a week where we are going to have a professional chef who's part of our team come in and teach people how to go out into the land and how to create an incredible meal by going out into the food forest and using what we've got.

Wow.

Also we are going to create nurseries and we're going to have 40 plots where we're going to propagate dozens of different plants like mulberry and grapes and passion fruit and hog, plum and all these from our food forest.

And we're gonna then build them up for a year and then bring them to their house so they can have their own food forest.

Wow.

Wow.

That is worth tens of thousands by itself.

Easily.

Yeah.

Then we're going to also have a massive surplus of food.

So they're going to get daily food, they're going to get daily medicine, which is insurance and health and food security, plus the education to do to become completely free and self reliant themselves.

Then after 12 months or maybe 18 months, then their food forest becomes a nursery that can serve their family and their community.

Wow.

Wow.

Dude, that's so commendable.

I got to tell you.

And like, it's ridiculous.

Me and Shelby, we were trying to figure out a while ago, you know, we, we're a big family, you know, we're, we're a, we're a five person family at the end of the day.

Six person actually.

Yeah, it's crazy.

But anyways, Point is, is that ultimately we're probably spending somewhere in the neighborhood of two to three thousand dollars a month in our household alone simply buying groceries, lunch, supplies.

And I know I can already hear a whole bunch of people being like, yeah, me too.

It's getting ridiculous.

Like, the cost of groceries has gone up like 40% since COVID if not more.

It's bonkers, man.

It's.

The cost of food is bonkers.

And we don't have a lot of choices if we don't already have, you know, an abundance of food somewhere.

Yep.

You get six chickens, right?

Six chickens will change a family's life.

And they did this in some country in Europe.

Joel Salatin tells this story so beautifully, but the mayor, it was a small town, I think it was 2,000 families, and they said, we will buy every family here two chickens.

And within like a year, the waste in the landfill in that community went down by.

It was like 40 or 60%.

And everything changed within the community.

So if you've got a tenth of an acre, if you've got even 300 square feet on the ground, you get 2, 3, 4, 5.

In your case, with that many, you know, kids, I'd get four.

Start with four chickens when you get to your next place.

And then just the chickens and then you put some crops around there and you use your food scraps to feed the chickens and you add a little bit extra.

Now you've got four eggs a day, which.

Organic, poison free eggs.

It's probably 12 bucks a dozen where you are.

Yeah, probably.

Yeah.

It's at least 10.

It's at least 10 bucks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

It is crazy.

It is.

It is kind of crazy, right?

When you really think about it, it is crazy.

And you know, there's people listening right now who are like, kelly, this isn't your typical show.

And they're absolutely right.

This is not my typical show.

This is Jim Gale's show.

The reason that I love talking with you, Jim, first off, you believed in me in the beginning of this show.

And so, you know, for me, this is so much paying it back to you.

And I appreciate what you're doing, and I love what you're doing.

And the other side of this is, at the end of the day, dude, you've been an entrepreneur for over 30 years.

You sold your business.

You created a or a billion dollar, you know, real estate business.

You sold it, dude, you could have just like, you could have just been done.

You could have just been like, screw this, I'm going to Go live high on my hog.

I'm going to go buy a mansion somewhere up in the Hollywood Hills and Good, right.

But you didn't, but you didn't.

You went on essentially a passion project.

Sometimes I wonder and I question you a little bit on this because it's like, I don't know, would I have done the same thing?

I don't know because I've never been in that position.

But like you could have just, you could have just retired and lived happily ever after forever.

And yet you chose this path.

And I want to talk to you about that because we have a lot of young entrepreneurs listening who are probably imagine, hey, if I, you know, if I had millions of dollars, what would I do with my life?

And in their mind, maybe they would go live on a beach, maybe they would buy the house they want, do whatever they want.

But like as someone who's actually done it, what happens?

Do you just get bored?

So a couple of things happened.

One, I intended to, I wrote my goals when I was like 29, traveling backpacking through Africa and a bunch of other places.

And I wrote that I wanted to be retired in five years with $3 million.

First of all, I had no concept of money.

My dad was a pipe fitter, my mom was, you know, stay at home mom turned realtor.

And so I didn't have a financial blueprint.

So I intended to retire and just have fun.

And then I bought a boat.

I bought a 42 foot Carver motor yacht as soon as I saw the company.

And I lived on the ocean for a year and I was bored silly.

And then I found Costa Rica and I got so passionate about the jungle and about the life there.

But then when I learned, when I red pilled, when I learned that the world is controlled by, by wicked, I then got into a scarcity mode and I said, holy shit, this is not good.

We got to do something about it.

And based on what I had learned, Napoleon Hill wrote the book Think and Grow Rich.

I know you know that one.

You bet it's one, it's one of my all time favorites.

He also wrote Outwitting the Devil which he couldn't release at the time because of the, the times itself.

But anyway, his book Think and Grow Rich he deducted after studying the most successful people in history.

Whatever the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve.

And I sat with that.

And what does that mean?

And what it means is there's no limits to what's possible.

So knowing that, knowing the problem and knowing the solution, I Have no other logical choice but to do everything in my power to catalyze a shift in awareness that leads to mass adoption.

And the way to do that you alluded to earlier, it's by collaborating, it's by sharing the message, and most importantly, it's by demonstrating the truth of the matter.

I have to ask.

How in the world did you get a meeting with RFK in the middle of a presidential campaign?

Man, there are so many things happening now that I've learned.

I am not an organizer.

I don't.

I basically focus on presence.

I focus on being here now and being guided by source, by.

By what I call God.

I grew up in Minnesota, so I use the word God.

If somebody grew up on the other side of the word world and they use a different word, good for them, right?

So.

So I simply take breaths whenever I feel myself contracted.

And I just.

I just say, guide me.

And I get teary.

Right.

Right now I was just thinking about it.

So when I was meditating on this campaign strategy, it all downloaded at like, at once.

And then I started writing it out and I started calling friends.

And then I had this friend, McKinley, who, who, who got it.

He got it.

He's like, I get this.

So he called his friend, who was kind of a graphic person.

Kelly.

And her name is Kelly.

And all of a sudden, next thing you know, I've got these documents in my hand.

Yeah.

And then we started like reaching out to our broader network and saying, I got to.

We got, got to meet Bobby and share this with him.

Next thing you know, a month later, I was in Georgia and we shared a stage.

I was one of the speakers at this event.

And.

And we're.

All of a sudden, we're in a back room.

And I thought this was very interesting.

I didn't get searched.

I didn't go through any metal detect.

I simply walked in, shook hands, and sat down with the guy who was running for president.

One of the most well known names in the.

In the political world.

And that was that.

Like, it's.

I.

When we open ourselves up to what's possible and we let source guide us, anything is possible.

Wow.

Yeah.

I was, I was immediately like, wow, how did you do that?

Because I'm sure there's a lot of people who would be like, okay, that's the million dollar secret here.

How the heck do you meet with a.

With a presidential candidate in the middle of a campaign?

Because that to me just seemed unbelievable.

But, dude, that picture that you got with him one day, that's going to Be in a magazine somewhere chatting about the history books.

Yeah, I just get the chills even thinking about it.

And especially that six months later he came out with the MAHA campaign.

And what he's talked about so far is kind of a high level pattern.

What I am hopeful but not counting on, right, is that he uses all the resources which will be at his disposal come January to implement the integration of the schools, the prisons, the churches and so on.

And why I say I don't count on because it's not up to the government to save us.

It's not up to the government to save.

It's up to us.

Mass adoption of us as individuals being the change.

So Bucky Fuller, another one of my teachers, said, you cannot change things by fighting the existing reality.

Instead, create a new model that makes the old model obsolete.

And that this isn't a new model, by the way, this is the oldest model in the book.

It's like the Garden of Eden model.

So anyway, that's what we're doing.

Well, I always say, man, even in business development at this point, we got to go back to go forward.

We got to get away from the AI, we got to pick up our cell phones again, we got to get in front of people again.

So you know what, there's something to be said about the old way that just works, isn't it?

Yes.

The old ways.

Nature is the foundation.

Once we have a foundation of health and wellness and abundance everywhere, right?

And I'm talking about starting in the places where the most suffering, right?

The ghettos, the prisons and the schools and the opportunity zones.

Right?

Start where people are the most.

Let's look at it in terms of accounting in the most non emotional, most logical way.

The places like the prisons and the ghettos, they are a liability on the balance sheet of humanity, right?

They are a debt, they are a place of suffering and a place where we have to spend our resources and we're not doing very well when we create these systems in the schools and the ghettos and the prisons, we lift up and we transform the liabilities into assets.

We transform the, the money drains into wealth production systems.

Yeah.

And it goes exponential like that.

If all we did, if all Bobby Kennedy did with his MAHA is reached out to the board of Education, the school system and said, we are going to immediately stop all poisons.

We are going to integrate the schools with the local farmers who grow poison free food and then we're going to bring them in to teach the kids how to grow their own food on the edges of the schoolyards and wherever.

Makes sense that one thing would change the world.

Wow.

Wow, man.

One of the things that I admire about you is that you don't just set a vision.

You set, like, an entire cultural change and then somehow are able to stay positive, you know?

I mean, people look at me and they say, kelly, you're so positive all the time.

You're always, like, so upbeat, and I love listening to you.

But then I see someone like you, and I'm like, my gosh, like Jim's at a whole nother level and practice.

And one of the things that I kind of got to ask you is, how do you not get, like, depressed with the scope of your vision?

And I mean that, like, the kindest way, because it is so big.

It is so big that to see movement, it's microscopic movement.

It's not like giant leaps.

Yeah, right.

So the bottom line is, presence is the key to everything.

Being here now, practicing.

And I went through the breath classes and the meditation classes, and I'm constantly listening to teachers and being here now, feeling like as soon as I took that breath, I could feel the wind, I could feel the chilly air.

I could hear the crows.

I could sense things that I could not sense before, Right?

So being present, being in the now, is the key to everything.

It's the answer to depression and anxiety and stress and fear and all of it.

The other thing is, there.

There's a frequency to love, and there's a frequency to hate.

Right?

There's a frequency to pride, and there's a frequency to joy and.

Right.

And there's a frequency to fear, and there's a frequency to faith.

And when we can follow Tesla's advice, He said, if you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration.

But there's one word that is misplaced in that sentiment.

It's the word think.

Don't think at all.

If you want to experience the secrets of the universe of God, feel the energy, the frequency, the vibration that's here now, everywhere.

And then once we get into that feeling, because feeling is the gateway to transformation.

We can't think our way to transformation.

We have to feel our way to transformation.

And the now is the only time to do that.

My gosh.

I think I struggle to be present.

I'm not even gonna lie, dude.

That's the ultimate.

I think.

I think at times, I'm always thinking, what's next?

I do think that I'm a. I'm a thinker.

I'm stuck in My own head a lot of the time.

Yeah, that's for sure.

That is humanity's suffering until it's not.

It represents the biggest opportunity in the history of humanity and the reason that we're here.

I believe that's from my perspective, I think we're here to overcome the illusion of separation from the divine right.

That's the ego, this illusion that we're not part of this glorious, amazing system.

And when we get over that ultimate foundation of ignorance and we start collaborating, connecting and stewarding again, it's just absolutely mind boggling what happens.

I think as humanity, it's so easy to forget that we're just another creature in a, in a list of millions, if not billions of creatures.

Right.

Like, we do such a great job of putting ourselves at the center of the universe, don't we?

And you know what?

I'm just as guilty for that as, you know, 99.999 of us.

I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about the ladybugs or the bees because typically I have kids to feed, I have a business to run, and I have a podcast to produce.

Right.

So for me, I spend so much time there.

But like, you're right, like, at a certain level, it is a bit of an ignorance to think that we are that different from, you know, a chimpanzee or, or a tree, really, at the end of the day.

Well, we are in, in the bigger sense, our awareness.

We have the potential for infinite awareness and connection where I am not aware that those other things that you mentioned do.

Right.

It's just different levels.

I think that we're here for a specific reason is to overcome this and to transform what's happening.

And anyway, that gets very detailed and nuanced, but the simplicity of it is the power of now.

Eckhart Tolle has a great book called the Power of Now.

I listened to that for five years in a row instead of music on the radio every time I was in the car.

It's powerful stuff.

Yeah, yeah, talk to me.

We're right now.

Right now.

Obviously.

What's kind of funny is when people are listening to the show, it's literally a year from now.

So they're listening in the future, which is fun.

But talk to me.

What do the next five years, 10 years of food, forest abundance look like?

What's, what's your vision?

If you were to look out into, let's call it 2035, what is 2035 look like?

In the next seven years, there will be peace on Earth.

The wars will be over.

In fact, I think it's going to happen a lot.

I feel that it's going to happen a lot faster than that.

I feel that it's happening a lot faster than that.

But I'd say on the long run, seven years where people will become aware how simple and logical and easy it is to create abundance.

And then sharing abundance becomes the most joyful thing we could ever do.

In fact, people often say to me, jim, you've got food security here.

I said, we don't have food security until all of our neighbors, kids have food security.

We don't have food security until the people of Israel and Palestine and all of the world have food security.

Because food security is when everybody eats.

And I don't believe in this idea of a free lunch unless it's done nature's way.

In other words, if the government steals from somebody over here by threat of force and violence and gives to somebody over here, that's thievery, that's wicked, it's evil.

And it has led to.

To the system that we have now.

Instead, we invite, inspire and empower the individuals to plant seeds, and then we share our surplus.

And by sharing, by service and stewardship and sharing, we create a culture again of sharing.

Like a lot of the indigenous cultures around the world are.

They're just like, I'm just like a rookie.

They're like, you silly guy, this is.

We've been doing this forever.

Of course that's the way to do it, but we've gotten so far away from that in our culture.

Well, it's interesting, and I like the way that you kind of explained that you don't have food abundance or abundance in general unless your neighbor does.

And I kind of like that.

From the standpoint of, let's imagine that we were in an emergency scenario and you're the only house on the block with heat and power and food.

Are you safe?

No.

From that standpoint, it actually makes a lot of sense because it's like, how could you ever have full abundance if your neighbor also isn't okay with where they're at?

Exactly.

And that's why we're spending so much time now.

In the last two months, I have basically changed my focus from out there to the global transformation now that that's already in process and everything's happening to the local transformation.

I don't know if you can hear me, but we've got tractors in the desert in the background and stuff.

And we're putting in this CSA model to scale rapidly here and the pastor of the biggest church in our area, he was here a couple weeks ago, just built me an amazing bench.

And he is now bringing this to his church members, his parish, which is thousands of people.

And he's doing it very strategically.

He's talking about abundance in his sermons.

And now we're going to set it up where probably in January we're going to go in and we're going to bring sweet potato slips and all these different easily propagatable plants.

And in fact, right here, these are sweet potatoes, right?

The, the leaves are edible, the stems are edible, of course, the potatoes and they grow like weeds.

So we're going to go to this church and we're going to distribute all of this food.

And then we also went to the local school and we built a food forest at the school.

Right.

I showed up at the sheriff's office about two months ago with two five gallon buckets of sweet potato starch knocking on the sheriff's door.

Hey, I want to show you something.

I've got a.

You know, if you want security in our town, then create a foundation of food where everybody eats and we will have security in our town.

Wow.

Wow, Jim, that's amazing.

I appreciate your time today.

You know, we're getting to the end of our show and there's been a lot of lessons here, you know, not just, not just in life, but for business, for entrepreneurs, you name it.

You're talking to people in over 145 countries around the world, Jim, and I know the whole goal here is to really spread your message and your word.

And so I hope that we're able to do that for you today.

Talk to me a little bit about Food Forest abundance.

Introduce the world to what it is you do and what services that you're providing.

I love it.

So Food Forest Abundance is now operated by Matthew Britt, who I know you've chatted with, and Alan Campbell and a bunch of other amazing people.

They've got Doug Crouch and Eleanor and all these amazing permaculture designers have come together.

I have given up all my equity and all the different things that I have going.

We have TV shows and movies and books.

In fact, we just published a book called Natural the Technology of Peace.

And so, bottom line is Food Forest Abundance is an entity that designs and installs food forests around the world.

And we have Food forest designers, we have Food Forest cooperative partners, and then we have a product called a Freedom Farm Academy.

So if anybody out there listening has an acre or more and you would like to turn your Homestead into a completely off grid food, water and energy producing self reliant homestead.

We can help you do that and then we can create a network or we are creating a network of these independent demonstration centers that have multiple layers of value and profit centers and of course abundance.

Amazing.

Amazing.

And Jim, if people want to get in touch with you, what's the best way for them to do so?

They can find me through food forestabundance.com or they can also go to Galts Landing Farm and that's our off grid homestead.

We have Airbnbs so people can come visit.

It's G A L T S Landing Farm.

Farm.

Perfect.

I will make sure that the links are up for both your book and G's Landing and Food Forest abundance.

Make sure we get it all out there for you.

It was an honor to see you again.

First off, dude, thank you so much for believing in the show in the very beginning.

We wouldn't be where we're at today without incredible guests like you.

And thank you for having such bold vision, you know, and inspiring others to have big vision.

Right?

Sometimes it's hard to have a big vision unless you see somebody with a really big vision.

And I think that's really what you're doing here today is you're really inspiring people to dream big.

That's my goal, that's my intention.

Thank you brother.

It's a wonderful show.

I love you and everybody listening.

Let's change the world one seat at.

A time, one seed at a time.

Until next time, we've been chatting with Jim Gale of Food Forest Abundance.

It's been a pleasure, guys, thanks.

We'll catch you on the flip side.

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