The Future of Food, Freedom, and Human Resilience with Jim Gale

The Future of Food, Freedom, and Human Resilience with Jim Gale

Kelly Kennedy: What would you do if you sold your company and had the chance to sail off into the sunset? Most people would take the easy road, but Jim Gale isn't most people. Instead of retiring, he built a fully self-sustaining farm and dedicated his life to a mission. Far bigger than himself. His drive, his vision, and his relentless commitment.

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Kelly Kennedy: Hello. Welcome to episode 290 of the Business Development Podcast, and today it is my absolute pleasure to welcome back Jim Gale. Many of you will remember Jim from episode 42, where he shared his incredible journey from founding a billion dollar mortgage company to becoming a global advocate for sustainability and permaculture as the founder and CEO of Food forest abundance.

Jim is on a mission to empower individuals and communities to create their own self-sustaining ecosystems. His passion for turning backyards into edible landscapes is not just an idea, it's a movement poised to reshape the way that we think about food, health and freedom. Since his last visit, Jim has continued to push the boundaries of what's possible from launching groundbreaking initiatives to expanding his mission to over 54 countries.

Jim's vision of creating a world of abundance is more alive than ever. Today we're diving into the next chapter of Jim's incredible journey. His plans to scale food forest abundance to new heights and the revolutionary steps he's taking to solve some of the world's biggest challenges. If you're ready to be inspired and motivated, stay tuned.

Jim Gale is here to remind us all that bold action and a clear vision can truly change the world. Jim, it's an honor to have you back.

Jim Gale: Oh, thank you so much, Kelly. It's a pleasure to be here. To share with everybody listening the solution to all of it, to all of the world's biggest problems. And I'm gonna boil it down to such a simple thing.

In fact, it 17 years ago when I was listening to Bill Mollison and he said, though, the problems of our world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain embarrassingly simple. And I like to say joyfully simple. So now after about two and a half years. We've turned this sandlot. This was. There's nothing here but sand.

Wow. And now it's a thriving food forest with about 260 different species of edible and medicinal plants all around me.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. Wow. And you know, I wanna get into that. Jim, I'm sure there's a lot of people here who are, who are tuning into this for the first time. They're meeting Jim Gale for the first time, episode 42 was a little while ago.

Yeah. Why don't you take us back, man? Like, give us a reintroduction. Who is Jim Gale? How did you end up on this journey?

Jim Gale: First and foremost, I'm a father and I have four amazing daughters. And I ended up on this journey primarily because I became aware. That the way we are using our resources is unsustainable, to say the least.

And I'm also aware that all unsustainable systems fail. And when we're talking about the healthcare system and the global governance system and the school system, and the prison system and the money system. When we're talking about the pillars of our society being unsustainable and in process of failure I became very worried 17 years ago, and I spent two years I'd sold the mortgage company, so I had time and I had money, and all I did all day long was research problems around the world.

And a lot of people listening are doing that right now. They're going, what's going on? This is just insane.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah.

Jim Gale: And that's when I woke up and decided for the sake of my kids and future grandkids that I'm gonna do everything in my power to catalyze a shift in awareness that leads to mass adoption of using our resources wisely.

In a way where everybody wins. Even the scumbags that are poisoning the earth and promoting war over peace. They don't know it, but even they'll win. So that's what I got focused on, is demonstrating the solution to all of it. And it's living in the Garden of Eden, it's living in paradise is literally the solution to all of it.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah. Yeah, it's, um, it's very, very commendable, right? Like the more that I kind of go down this path and learn more about who is Jim Gale and, and what are you aiming to do, it's like, it's so much more than a business. I know when I initially kind of met you the first time, I'm thinking, okay, like, you know, he wants to promote, you know, people to grow gardens in their backyard and, and he wants to do this on a mass scale, and he has a company that helps them do it, but like.

There's no way to really achieve your vision on your own. There's like no way that food forest abundance as a company could impact or make the impact that you want to if it was just you and your company. You really need entire countries to get on board with this. This isn't like, this isn't small, this isn't like a town here and a city there.

It's like we really need entire countries to get behind your vision.

Jim Gale: Oh, I love how you think. I met with Bobby Kennedy 14 months ago, and when I met with him, I, I said, Bobby, what I'm going to share with you now is not only will this campaign I created a campaign strategy. I was sitting in the food force in meditation.

That's where most of my ideas come. And this campaign strategy came to me and my mom grew up telling me about the Kennedys, and she was part of the conspiracy of the JFK and all these things. So there was kind of this romantic idea of helping Bobby Kennedy be elected president. Now here's the thing.

I do not believe in government at all. Government is the problem historically speaking. I'm also aware that the resources that the government has. Are in the trillions, and I'm also aware that with a fraction of those resources in one year, we could create a foundation of peace and health and wealth and abundance all over the world.

So with that in mind, I created a campaign strategy and I said, Bobby, the campaign strategy that I'm gonna lay out for you now will not only win you the presidency, but your campaign. Done this way will change the world in the next year. And he got big eyes and he looked at me and he goes let's see it right.

So I sat out, we're sitting down on the couch, just him and I, and I laid out four documents and the first document was the claim. And Bobby Kennedy was, there was a picture of Bobby Kennedy on this document, and he was at a school, it was an AI generated picture. And Bobby was surrounded by kids at a school and the claim was, we are going to take the poisons out of the school lunches and school land and the children will heal.

And he like, I love this. He got so excited and then it, it, the truth of the matter, the truth is that the schools. The children are healthier and happier by spending part of the day tending to crops and tending to the garden and stewardship of the land. So that was the first campaign stop that I suggested.

He, I said, go to a school, surround yourself with kids. Several months later, I see him with a shovel surrounded by kids at school. It was beautiful. The second document, and I'm kind of giving you the, the high picture, the high, um, pattern, and then we can boil down into the details was a picture because I had four different candidates on this slide deck.

Yeah. The second picture was a picture of Donald Trump at the prisons, and he picks up the picture. He goes, that's not me. I said, well, it could be. And, and he looked at me funny it was, and I and it Donald Trump saying I am.

The prisoners will grow some of their own food, and as a result of this, we will reduce crime by more than 50% in four years. Now here's the facts of the matter. This has been done the same as the schools. When prisoners grow their own poison free food and learn how to be creative and productive, the recidivism falls off a cliff, right?

Anyway, and then I, I had two more slides. One was the churches inspiring and empowering the churches to demonstrate the garden of Eden instead of grass. Yeah, the lawn, which is a tool of enslavement and of poverty. And the third, the fourth one was the foreign army bases Turn all the foreign army bases.

Food forest and start helping those communities be self-reliant and to create abundance, because abundance destroys scarcity. And scarcity is the catalyst for war, right?

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah.

Jim Gale: So it was profound. Six months later, the Maha movement was born, and here we are.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. Wow. And well, obviously, you know, you guys just had your presidential election.

Obviously it wasn't RFK, but it was Trump, although I believe RFK did get appointed to a pretty prestigious position, didn't he?

Jim Gale: He sure did. And everybody loves the Maha movement. Now we just must follow Dr. Martin Luther King's advice. He said, those who love peace must learn to organize as effectively as those who love war.

So sitting in meditation and contemplation, what does that mean? That means when we integrate the schools and the churches and the prisons and the pillars of our society to take the poisons out and use our resources wisely. We solve mass extinction and deforestation and tyranny and cancer. All of it.

Kelly Kennedy: Jim, talk to me about the poisons. You refer to the poisons a lot. Can you maybe get deep as to what you're talking about?

Jim Gale: I sure can. So there's one that everybody's heard of, most everybody. Anyway, it's called Roundup, glyphosate, right? And man, this stuff. These guys Monsanto and now purchased by Bear, they've already paid over $11 billion in criminal fines.

The product is illegal to spread on the land in Russia and most of Europe and most of the world, and the lawyers in these class action lawsuits. And by the way, there's another one going on right now for $17 billion and the lawyers. We'll write the checks when they lose these big lawsuits with a stipulation as long as they can keep their poisons on the shelves at Home Depot and Walmart and all of these stores that sell death instead of life.

So I am talking about those poisons, by the way. There is a solution to those as well.

Kelly Kennedy: Okay. Okay. So like literally the roundup that we use to kill weeds on our front lawns in is what you're kind of dis uh, discussing. Correct.

Jim Gale: It's definitely one of the main ones. It's the most distributed one. And while the price of many other fertilizers has gone up, doubled and tripled the price of the ultimate poison, that's killing a big part of our soil and our world.

'cause it's subsidized by this evil system.

Kelly Kennedy: That's really interesting. 'cause you know, I mean I, whether I'm good or bad, whatever, I have killed my lawn with Roundup. I don't know what side I fit on your Jim. We learn. We learn. But you're absolutely right. I think the last time that I went to go and buy Dirt, dirt and like fertilizer was actually quite expensive.

Mind you, the Canadian dollar's been getting hammered. So it's been expensive for a while, but yeah. You're absolutely right. Like to get, like, to get my weed killer. I don't think I paid much more than about 20 bucks. You're absolutely correct.

Jim Gale: Yep. Yep. Wow. It's, it's, it's amazing and it's so concentrated and you know, most of the farmers around United States and North America and around the world, they are, this stuff is subsidized and they have government programs to buy food and stuff.

Every time the government gets involved and starts subsidizing something, they create a glitch in the economy. Mm-hmm. They, they take away the free market and worse than that, even, they're killing the very foundation of life. And that is our soil.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah. Yeah. What hap what happens to the soil when we're constantly using fertilizers?

Jim Gale: They kill it. The micro, the soil. A lot of people see soil as dirt. They just see black stuff that they don't want. You know, even the word dirt is a scam, right? You go to the hospitals, there's no dirt, but yet it's one of the most dangerous places in the world is inside a hospital. Whereas rolling and dirt that doesn't have glyphosate is literally the answer to a lot of health risks.

People that take care of bees and people that dig their hands in healthy dirt, they're the healthiest people, right? So we say dirt is bad. Well, dirt is really one of the cleanest things around if you think of it from a health perspective.

Kelly Kennedy: That's really interesting. You know, man, like even since the last time we talked, the cost of living in Canada, and you know, I mean, I can only speak to Canada where I'm at.

Yeah. But the cost of living in Canada is just getting absolutely astronomical. The pay for people isn't changing, you know? I mean, you talk about the ins sustainability of a system, and I would say like we're definitely seeing the system. Running, like hitting big cracks, right? Big cracks. At least here in Canada, we're seeing that where like the cost of groceries, the cost of everything is going through the roof.

The pay for people isn't changing. If not, a lot of people are losing their jobs. Not even their pay isn't going up. They're literally losing their jobs. Yep. And, uh, yeah I definitely see kinda where you're coming from and where like, I, you know, maybe an update to the system or, or more self sustainability starts to become important.

Talk to me about, about the Food Forest idea. How did you, like, how did you come up with this to be the solution? You're like, Hey, if people just grew their own food life would be great.

Jim Gale: So I didn't come up with it. Almost none of this stuff. I didn't really come up with any of it. I just sit and meditate and ask, how can we take what's already there and how can we bring this to the world?

What makes sense? And so the permaculture science Permaculture means permanent agriculture or permanent culture, and it's a sustainable agricultural design science that lays out the ethics, which are so simple. The ethics are earth care people care and reinvesting our surplus to earth care and people care.

The principles, the 12 principles can guide any family, any business. They're just incredible. So what I did is I studied people who were doing it, and then I kept asking new questions, how can I do it better? Which is how I got to be sitting here. In fact, to tell you about our commitment, we are living in a community where we have 10 homes.

We are a hundred percent off grid. We produced all of the food, water, and energy needs on site, and we did not ask for permission. We did not ask the government for permits to build our houses. And about 14 months ago, we were a year in at this point since we declared our freedom. 14 months ago, I got a call from my partner.

He said, Jim, there's a government official here with a badge and a clipboard, and he's looking to see building permits for your house. And I had a wave of adrenaline run through me, kinda like fear. And I took a deep breath and I walked over to the guy and I turned on my phone. And I have been planning for this moment for a year by that point.

And I walked up to him and I expected him to be a government, kind of a bully, right? So I walked up and I said, my name is Jim Gale and I'm recording this conversation and I said, well, I said hi, 'cause I'm a really friendly guy. I said, hi, my name is Jim Gale. And he, and I said, what's your name?

He said, my name is Alexi. I said, well, it's nice to meet you Alexi, but how did you get permission to come on my land? It's posted, implied consent is not granted. It's both illegal and unlawful for you to be here without my permission and instead of being a jerk about it, he said, oh, I'm so sorry the gate was open.

So I just thought I'd come in, but I will leave if you want me to. At that moment, it disarmed me. Mm-hmm. And I said, well, maybe that's a good idea, but before you leave I would like to show you something. So I walked with him to this area right over here, and we were standing in the food forest, and I shared with him, it's my job, it's my duty for our posterity, for our kids and grandkids, and for this world.

The caretaker and the protector and the steward of this land. It's my duty to protect this land because what your government, the agency that you represent will allow me to do is kill everything. You'll even subsidize the use of poisons on this land and as a rep, as proof of that. You can look at every community, every HOA community that you've permitted up and down the road.

Here you go. Walking through these communities, there's no butterflies, there's no birds, there's no bees. They are biological death zones. I said, so you have lost, the government has lost its moral authority and you can no longer tell me what to do. Instead, I would like to invite you to do what we're doing.

We're here to serve our community, and if that means collaborating with you and showing you how to do better, that's what we're here to do. And guess what, my friend, he got a tear in his eye. He said, I will never bother you again.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. Wow. What a story. And, and has, has any, has anybody came to your property since that time?

Jim Gale: 14 months in, 500 podcasts later, not one person has come here with the threat of force and violence. 'cause if they do, we'll turn that into, well, you know, what do you do A shit. It's manure, right? You, you, you compost it. So we'll put a a, a light of truth on it. We'll shine the light on it, which is the camera here, and we've got cameras up in case they just show up and we'll tell the story and we'll invite them to tell their side of the story.

Well, guess what? They know they'll get their asses kicked so they're not bothering us.

Kelly Kennedy: Interesting. Interesting.

Why do you think it's been so challenging to spread the food Forest message? I think. Many of us, me included, you know what I mean? I'm just as guilty for this as everyone else.

I don't have a garden in my backyard. Although my fiance, she, she loves gardening. I'm sure we'll have one soon. We just moved, so very likely a lot. Like I said, I'm just as guilty for this. I've, I've grown up in cities. I, you know, there you couldn't find a garden if you looked hard. Yeah.

Like it's just what it's, yeah. Why do you think. We've gone that path. Why do you think we've stopped gardening. Why don't we have food forests in our backyards? And then the other side of it, why is it like pulling teeth to convince people to do so?

Jim Gale: Kelly, it's the biggest fundamental deception of all time.

I, I believe, and here's the thing, I might be wrong about this, but I kind of look at this life as. A, a divine game in the mind of God somehow. And again, I could be wrong. I'm not preaching. I'm just saying that's how I view this life situation. And I believe that back a long time ago, that there was a deception that somehow created a psychological operation where we forgot who we're right.

We forgot that we are the stewards and the caretakers of this land. We forgot that. You hear about Tesla's free energy system, right? I haven't. I haven't. A lot of people are, yeah, are talking about free energy nowadays. I'm gonna show you a free energy system that I've never had anybody deny, right?

So I'm standing here. There's a cherry tree right here and a mulberry tree here. What do humans run on? We operate on calories, right? Yes. And what provides calories? All wealth, all energy is derived from nature, right? So right here, this mulberry might be, five calories or whatever, 10 cal, sure. I don't know how many calories, but that tree right there is literally a free energy device that will create exponential free energy for people, for the microbiome in the soil, and for birds.

If we walked away from this free energy device right now and we didn't do anything else, this food forest around me would turn into a jungle of food over time and it would literally span hundreds of miles. People say, how is that possible? A bird is gonna come in here and it's gonna eat a mulberry.

It's gonna fly on the other side of the lake over here. It's gonna poop. And now there's gonna be a new mulberry tree. Yeah. And so on and on. So the amount of destruction, and I call it evil, for lack of a better word, there's live, so one system is live it, it creates more life, and then the other system is evil.

It creates less life. It's like the big story of good and evil and we've been conned.

Kelly Kennedy: It's really interesting though, because I like, I think about this and I think about what you're trying to do, and it's like obviously like we would all do better if we had more, more food in our backyard or more big trees or more fruit bushes, right?

Like yeah. To me it seems so clear, but I'll tell you what, Jim, before I met you, I never once even thought about it. It never once even crossed my mind. That might be a beneficial thing. And and you're absolutely right, like maybe on a certain level we have all just been like completely brainwashed.

But like is that, is that kind of what you're up against with regards to, it's just not something we're even thinking about?

Jim Gale: Buddy. I have been on so many podcasts where in some pretty big, big ones where at the end, a week later, they said it was the most censored podcast that they've ever put out.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. I,

Jim Gale: there've been, I've just tried five, six times in the last week, people have sent me messages saying, Jim, I tried to share your website. And they deleted my comments saying it was against community guidelines.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow.

Jim Gale: And so, yes, there is a coordinated effort to suppress this because this is the idea. So Victor Hugo was, um, kind of an abolitionist, uh, a couple hundred years ago.

He said there's one thing stronger than all of the armies of the world, and that is an idea whose time has come. Nature, God's design, enlightenment. That is the idea that is spreading exponentially around the world right now as we experience the great awakening.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah, I I definitely see a big shift happening.

Absolutely. I think, I think you see it like you, especially here in Canada, definitely seeing a lot of shift here, a lot of shift in perception. I don't, our current government is not exactly favored in any way, shape, or form at the moment. Their time is likely changing one way or another. Yours done the same.

There's definitely shifts happening and I think there's a lot of fear too, right? Like the world is a mess right now, there's no question. I know like for me, with my family, I think we're afraid of war. We're afraid of a lot of things that could be coming down the down, you know, the pipe that we don't have any control over, unfortunately.

So I always try to advocate on this show. This is very positive show. We try to stay as positive as possible. But you know, the reality is there's times, right, especially times like right now where the world is a mess. And I think we do have to start thinking about. What would you do if you didn't have access to the grocery store?

What would you do if the power turned off for a week, a month, a year? Heaven forbid. But these are all things we don't really think about, but could literally happen at any time.

Jim Gale: You, you're so right, and this is exactly what we are preparing for, but not out of fear outta the joy of stewardship, right?

That I'm called here every day, multiple times a day. Whenever I have a moment, I come walking out here and I just, I just walk around, you know, there's butterflies and there's all this stuff. It's a really, it's kind of a cloudy and cool day today, which we love here in Florida once in a while. And, um, it's the most energy giving system that you can imagine.

And by the way we are, we, we like to talk about the big picture and. To change the world, but we also like to get into the fine details to show people that this is happening. So right now we are creating A CSA, which stands for Community Supported Agriculture. It's like a community cooperative, right?

We're turning about four acres of land that's just to my north, along with this acre and a half of food forest. A propagation system and we're inviting 40 families to be served by this food production system. We have cows and chickens and ducks and turkeys and bees, and seven species of fish along with 260 species of, of this food.

And um, so we have a lot of diversity and here's where this gets incredibly exciting. We created a business model, which by the way, everything we do is open source. So if anybody out there wants to copy this model, you can do it on your own or we would love to help you. So it's, it's an invitation for assistance, but you could also just take it and run with it.

So here's the model. 40 families paying $350 per month each, and as a return on that three 50 investment. We are going to do four classes a week where we are gonna have a professional chef who's part of our team come in and teach people how to go out into the land and how to create an incredible meal by going out into the food forest and using what we've got.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow.

Jim Gale: Also, we're gonna create nurseries and we're gonna have 40 plots where we're gonna propagate. Of different plants like mulberry and grapes and passion food and hog plum and all these from our food forest, and we're gonna then build them up for a year and then bring them to their house so they can have their own food forest.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. Wow.

Jim Gale: That. Is worth tens of thousands by itself.

Kelly Kennedy: Easily. Yeah.

Jim Gale: Then we're gonna also have a, a massive surplus of food, so they're gonna get daily food, they're gonna get daily medicine, which is insurance and health and food security, plus the education to do, to become completely free and self-reliant themselves.

Then after 12 months or maybe 18 months. Their food forest becomes a nursery that can serve their family and their community.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. Wow. Dude, that's so commendable. I gotta tell you, and, and like. It's ridiculous. Me and Shelby, we were trying to figure out a while ago, you know, we we're a big family, you know, we're a, we're a, we're a five person family at the end of the day, six person actually all.

Yeah. It's crazy. But anyways, point is, is that ultimately we're probably spending somewhere in the neighborhood of two to $3,000 a month in our household alone, simply buying groceries. Lunch supplies. And I know I can already hear a whole bunch of people being like, yeah, me too. It's getting ridiculous.

Like the cost of groceries has gone up like 40% since COVID, if not more. It's bonkers, man. It's the, the cost of food is bonkers and we don't have a lot of choices if we don't already have, you know, a, an abundance of food somewhere.

Jim Gale: Yep. You get six chickens, right? Six chickens will change a family's life.

And they did this in some country in Europe. Joel Southton tells this story so beautifully, but, um, the mayor, it was a small town, I think it was 2000 families, and they said we will buy every family here two chickens, and within like a year. The waste in the landfill in that community went down by, it was like 40 or 60%.

And everything changed within the community. So if you've got a 10th of an acre, if you've got even 300 square feet on the ground, you get. 2, 3, 4, 5. In your case, with that many, you know, kids, I'd get four. Start with four chickens when you get to your next place and then just the chickens, and then you put some crops around there and you use your food scraps to feed the chickens, and you add a little bit extra.

Now you've got four eggs a day, which organic poison free eggs. It's probably 12 bucks a dozen where you are.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah, probably. Yeah. Not yet. It's at least 10. It's at least 10 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. It. It is crazy. It is. It is kind of crazy, right? When you really think about it, it is crazy. And you know, there's people listening right now who are like, Kelly, this isn't your typical show.

And they're absolutely right. This is not my typical show. This is Jim Gale's show. Love you, bro. But the reason that I love talking with you, Jim, first off, you believed in me in the beginning of this show and so you know, for me, this is so much paying it back to you and I appreciate what you're doing and I love what you're doing.

And the other side of this is. At the end of the day, dude, you've been an entrepreneur for over 30 years. You sold your business. You, you had created a mult or a billion dollar, you know, real estate business. You sold it, dude, you could have just like, you could have just been done. You could have just been like, screw this.

I'm gonna go live high on my hog. I'm gonna go buy a mansion somewhere up in the Hollywood Hills and good. Right? But you didn't, but you didn't. You went on essentially a passion project. Sometimes I wonder, and I question you a little bit on this 'cause it's like, I don't know, would I have done the same thing?

I don't know. 'cause I, I've never been in that position. But like, you could have just, you could have just retired and lived happily ever after forever. Yet you chose this path, and I wanna talk to you about that because we have a lot of young entrepreneurs listening who are probably imagine, Hey, if I, you know, if I had millions of dollars, what would I do with my life?

And in their mind, maybe they would go live on a beach. Maybe they would buy the house they want, they would do whatever they want. But like as someone who's actually done it. What happens? Do you just get bored?

Jim Gale: So a couple things happened. One, I intended to I wrote my goals when I was like 29, traveling, backpacking through Africa and a bunch of other places.

And I wrote that I wanted to be retired in five years with $3 million. Yeah. First of all, I had no concept of money. My dad was a pipe fitter. My mom was, you know, a stay-at-home mom turned realtor, and so I, I didn't have a financial blueprint. So I intended to retire and just have fun. And then I bought a boat.

I bought a 42 foot carver motor yacht as soon as I sold the company. And I lived on the ocean for a year, and I was bored, silly. And then I found Costa Rica and I got so passionate about the jungle and about the life there. But then when I learned, when I Red pilled, when I learned that the world is controlled by by Wicked, I then got into a scarcity mode and I said, holy shit, this is not good.

We gotta do something about it. And based on what I had learned, Napoleon Hill wrote the book, think And Grow Rich. I know you know that one. You bet. It's one, it's one of my all time favorites. He also wrote Outwitting the Devil, which he couldn't release at the time because of the, the Times itself.

But anyway, his book Think and Grow Rich, he deducted after studying the most successful people in history. Whatever the mind can conceive and believe it can achieve. And I sat with that and what does that mean? And what it means is there's no limits to what's possible. So knowing that. Knowing the problem and knowing the solution.

I have no other logical choice but to do everything in my power to catalyze a shift in awareness that leads to mass adoption. And the way to do that, you alluded to earlier, it's by collaborating. It's by sharing the message, and most importantly, it's by demonstrating the truth of the matter.

Kelly Kennedy: I have to ask, how in the world did you get a meeting with RFK in the middle of a, of a presidential campaign?

Jim Gale: Man, there are so many things happening now that I've learned. I'm not an organizer. I don't, I basically focus on presence. I focus on being here now and being guided by source, by, by what I call God. I grew up in Minnesota, so I use the word God. Me too. If somebody grew up on the other side of the word world and they use a different word, good for them, right?

Sure. So I simply take breaths whenever I feel myself contracted, and I just I just say, guide me and I get teary. Right? Right now I was just thinking about it. So when I was meditating on this campaign strategy, it all downloaded out like at once and then I started writing it out and I started calling friends.

And then I had this friend McKinley, who goes, who, who, who got it. He got it. He's like, I get this. So he called his friend who was kind of a graphic person, Kelly. Her name is Kelly, and all of a sudden, next thing you know, I've got these documents in my hand.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah.

Jim Gale: And then we started like reaching out to our broader network and saying, I gotta, we got, I gotta meet Bobby and share this with him.

Next thing you know, a month later I was in Georgia and we shared a stage. I was one of the speakers at this event and, and we're, all of a sudden we're in the back room and I, I thought this was very interesting. I didn't get searched, I didn't go through any metal. I simply walked in, shook hands and sat down with the guy who was running for president.

One of the most well-known names in the, in the political world. And that was that like it's. I, when we open ourselves up to what's possible and we let source guide us, anything is possible.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. I, yeah, I was, I was immediately like, wow, how did you do that? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people who would be like, okay, that's the million dollar secret here.

How the heck do you meet with a, with a presidential candidate in the middle of a campaign? 'cause that to me just seemed unbelievable. But dude, that picture that you got with him. One day that's gonna be in a magazine somewhere chatting about the history books.

Jim Gale: Yeah. It, it, I just get the chills even thinking about it, and especially that six months later he came out with the Maha campaign and what he's talked about so far is kind of a high level pattern.

Yeah. What I am hopeful but not counting on right, is that. He uses all the resources, which will be at his disposal come January to implement the integration of the schools, the prisons, the churches and so on. And why I say I don't count on, because it's not up to the government to save us, it's not up to the government.

Mm-hmm. It's up to us, mass adoption of us as individuals being the change. So, Bucky Fuller, uh, another one of my teachers. Said you cannot change things by fighting the existing reality. Instead, create a new model that makes the old model obsolete. And that this isn't a new model, by the way. This is the oldest model in the book.

It's like the Garden of Eden model. So anyway, that's what we're doing.

Kelly Kennedy: Well, I always say, man, even in business development at this point, we gotta go back to go forward. We gotta get away from the ai, we gotta pick up our cell phones again. We gotta get in front of people again. So. You know what? There's something to be said about the old way that just works, isn't it?

Jim Gale: Yes. The old ways, nature is the foundation. Once we have a foundation of health and wellness and abundance everywhere, right? And I'm talking about starting in the places where the most suffering, right? The, the ghettos, the prisons and the schools and the opportunity zones, right? Start where people are the most.

Let's look at it in terms of accounting right in the most like non-emotional, most logical way. The places like the prisons and the ghettos, they are a liability on the balance sheet of humanity, right? They are a debt, they're a place of suffering. A place where we have to spend our resources and we're not doing very well.

When we create these systems in the schools and the ghettos and the prisons, we lift up and we, we transform the liabilities into assets. We transform the, the money drains into wealth production systems.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah.

Jim Gale: And it goes exponential like that. If all we did, if all Bobby Kennedy did with his MAHA is reached out to the Board of Education, the school system, and said we are going to immediately stop all poisons, we are gonna integrate the schools with the local farmers who grow poison free food.

And then we're gonna bring them in to teach the kids how to grow their own food on the edges of the school yards and wherever makes sense. That one thing would change the world.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. Wow. Man, one of the things that I admire about you is that you don't just set a vision. You set like an entire cultural change and then somehow, somehow are able to stay positive.

You know what I mean? People look at me and they say, Kelly, you're so positive all the time. You're always like, so upbeat and I love listening to you, but then I see someone like you and I'm like, my gosh, like Jim's at a whole nother level and practice. And, and one of the things that I kind of gotta ask you is how do you not get like depressed?

With the scope of your vision. And I, and I mean that in like the kindest way because it is so big. It's so big that to see movement, it's microscopic movement. It's not like giant leaps.

Jim Gale: Yeah. Right. So the bottom line is presence is the key to everything. Being here now, practicing and I've, I went through the breath classes and the meditation classes, and I'm constantly listening to teachers.

Being here now, feeling like as soon as I took that breath, I could feel the wind, I could feel the chilly air, I could hear the crows. I could sense things that I could not sense before, right? So being present, being in the now is the key to everything. It's the answer to depression and anxiety and stress and fear and all of it.

The other thing is there, there's a frequency. And there's a frequency to hate, right? There's a frequency to pride and there's a frequency to joy and, and right? And there's a frequency to fear and there's a frequency to faith. And when we can follow Te Tesla's advice, he said, if you wanna find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration.

But there's one word that is misplaced in that sentiment. It's the word think. Don't think if you want to experience the secrets of the universe of God, feel the energy, the frequency, the vibration that's here now, everywhere. And then once we get into that feeling, 'cause feeling is the gateway to transformation.

We can't think our way to transformation. We have to feel our way to transformation. The now is the only time to do that.

Kelly Kennedy: My gosh. I think I struggle to be present. I'm not even gonna lie, dude. That's the ultimate, I'm not gonna lie. I think, I think at times I'm always thinking what's next? I do think that I'm a, I'm a thinker.

I'm stuck in my own head a lot of the time.

Jim Gale: Yeah, that's for sure. That is humanity suffering until it's not. It represents the biggest opportunity in the history of humanity and the reason that we're here. I believe that's, from my perspective, I think we're here to overcome the illusion of separation from the divine right.

That's the ego. This illusion that we're not part of this glorious, amazing system. And when we get over that ultimate foundation of ignorance and we start collaborating, connecting and stewarding again, it's just absolutely mind-boggling what happens.

Kelly Kennedy: I think as humanity, it's so easy to forget that we're just another creature.

In a, in a list of millions, if not billions of creatures, right? Like yeah. We do such a great job of, of putting ourselves at the center of the universe, don't we? Yeah. And you know what? I'm just as guilty for that as, as I'm, you know, 99.999% of us. I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about the lady bugs or the bees.

'cause typically I have kids to feed. I have a business to run and I have a podcast to produce. Right? Yeah. So for me, I spend so much time there. But like, you're right, like at a certain level it is a bit of an ignorance to think that, we are that different from, you know, a chimpanzee or, or a tree really, at the end of the day.

Jim Gale: Well, it, it, we're in, in the bigger sense, our awareness we have the potential for infinite awareness and connection where I am not aware that those other things that you mentioned do. Right. It's just different levels. I, I think that we're here for a specific reason. To overcome this and to transform what's happening.

And anyway, that gets very detailed and nuanced but the simplicity of it. The power of now. Eckhart has a great book called The Power of Now. I listened to that for five years in a row instead of music on the radio every time I was in the car. It's powerful stuff.

Kelly Kennedy: Yeah. Yeah. Talk to me.

We're right now. Right now, obviously what's kind of funny is when people are listening to the show, it's literally a year from now, so they're listening in the future, which is fun. Talk to me. What do the next five years, 10 years of food forest abundance look like? What's, what's your vision If you were to look out into, let's call it 2035, what does 2035 look like?

In the next seven years, there will be peace on earth. The wars will be over. In fact, I think it's gonna happen a lot. I feel that it's gonna happen a lot faster than that. I feel that it's happening a lot faster than that. But I'd say on the long run seven years where people will become aware how simple and logical and easy it is to create abundance, and then sharing abundance becomes the most joyful thing we could ever do.

In fact, people often say to me, Jim, you've got food security here. I said, we don't have food security until all of our neighbor's kids have food security. We don't have food security until the people of Israel and Palestine and all of the world have food security. Because food security is when everybody eats.

And I don't believe in this idea of a free lunch unless it's done nature's way. In other words, if the government steals from somebody over here by threat of force and violence and gives to somebody over here. That's thievery, that's wicked. It's evil and it has led to the system that we have now.

Instead, we invite, inspire and empower the individuals to plant seeds and then we share our surplus. And by sharing, by service and stewardship and sharing, we create a culture again, of sharing like a lot of the indigenous cultures around the world are, they're just like. I'm just like a rookie. They're like, you silly guy.

This is, we've been doing this forever. Yeah, of course. That's the way to do it. Yeah. But we've gotten so far away from that in our culture.

Well it's, it's interesting and, and I like the way that you kind of explained that you don't have food abundance or abundance in general unless your neighbor does.

And I kind of like that from the standpoint. Let's imagine that we were in an emergency scenario and you're the only house on the block with heat and power and food. Are you safe? No. From that standpoint, it actually makes a lot of sense because it's like, how could you ever have full abundance if your neighbor also isn't okay with where they're at?

Jim Gale: Exactly. And that's why we're spending so much time now. In the last two months, I have basically changed my focus from out there. To the global transformation now that that's already in process and everything's happening to the local transformation. I dunno if you can hear me, but we've got tractors in the dis in the background and stuff, and we're putting in this CSA model to scale rapidly here.

And the pastor of the biggest church in our area, he was here a couple weeks ago, just built me an amazing bench and he is now bringing this to his church members, his parish. Which is thousands of people, and he is doing it very strategically. He's talking about abundance in his sermons. And now we're gonna set it up where probably in January we're gonna go in and we're gonna bring sweet potato slips and all these different easily propag plants.

And in fact, right here, these are sweet potatoes, right? The leaves are edible. The stems are edible. Of course, the potatoes and they grow like weed. So we're gonna go to this church and we're gonna distribute all of this food. And then we also went to the local school and we built a food forest at the school, right?

I showed up at the sheriff's office about two months ago with two five gallon buckets of sweet potato. Starts knocking on the sheriff's door. Hey, I wanna show you something. I've got a, you know, if you want security in our town. Then create a foundation of food where everybody eats and we will have security in our town.

Kelly Kennedy: Wow. Wow. Jim, that's amazing. I, uh, appreciate your time today. You know, we're getting to the end of our show and there's been a lot of lessons here. You know, not just, not just in life, but for business, for entrepreneurs, you name it. Um, you're talking to people in over 145 countries around the world, Jim, and I know the whole goal here is to really spread your message and your word.

And so I hope that we're able to do that for you today. Talk to me a little bit about Food Forest abundance, introduce the world to what it is you do and what services that you're providing.

Jim Gale: I love it. So Food Forest Abundance is now, um, operated by Matthew Britt, who, who I know you've, uh, chat with. I met him and Alan Campbell and, uh, a bunch of other amazing people.

They've, uh. Doug Crouch and Eleanor and all these amazing permaculture designers have come together. I have given up all my equity and all the different things that I have going. We have TV shows and movies and books. Well, in fact, we just, uh, published a book called Natural Intelligence, the Technology of Peace, and, um.

So bottom line is food Forest Abundance is an entity that designs and installs food forests around the world. And we have food forest designers, we have food forest cooperative partners, and then we have a product called a Freedom Farm Academy. So if anybody out there listening has an acre or more, and you would like to turn your homestead into a completely off grid.

Food and energy producing, self-reliant homestead, we can help you do that. And then we can create a network or we are creating a network of these independent demonstration centers that have multiple layers of value and profit centers and of course abundance.

Kelly Kennedy: Amazing. Amazing. And Jim, if people wanna get in touch with you, what's the best way for them to do so?

Jim Gale: They can find me, um, through food forest abundance.com. Or they can also go to Galts Landing Farm, and that's our off-grid homestead. We have Airbnbs so people can come visit. It's G-A-L-T-S Landing Farm.

Kelly Kennedy: Perfect. I'll make sure that the links are up for both your book and Galts Landing and Food Forest abundance.

I'll make sure we get it all out there for you. Awesome, buddy. It was an honor to see you again. First off. Dude, thank you so much for believing in this show in the very beginning. Uh, we wouldn't be where we're at today without incredible guests like you. And, uh, thank you for having such bold vision, you know, and inspiring others to have big vision, right?

Sometimes it's hard to have a big vision unless you see somebody with a really big vision, and I think. That's really what you're doing here today is you're really inspiring people to dream big.

Jim Gale: That's my goal. That's my intention. Thank you, brother. It's a wonderful show. I love you and everybody listening.

Let's change the world one seed at a time.

Kelly Kennedy: One seed at a time. Until next time, we've been chatting with Jim Gale, A Food Forest Abundance. It's been a pleasure, guys. Thanks. Catch you on the flip side.

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